Curse

Taurucis · Jan 28, 2008, 11:34 PM // 23:34

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

I dedcied to try an impartial test of this build last night, and came up with the following:

1. Energy management isn't a huge problem with using barrage (given the zealous bow), as long as there were at least 3 enemies clumped together. If the group fanned out at all (or if you had to change targets to kill a priority one), energy ran out after 4-5 hits.

2. Energy management became a significant problem, however, with rezzing your pet (especially if you have to do multiple rezzes in mid battle). A key with a B/P is keeping your meat shield up (especially now that pets do not leave exploitable corpses), and this build doesn't allow you to do that.

3. The build lacks an interrupt, which is pretty key against certain creatures. I had to depend on my other B/Pers to do the interrupting for me, which kinda gimped my value to the team.

4. The build doesn't have a Spirit (e.g. Favorable Winds or Winnowing), which also forced me to rely on other B/Pers.

5. The damage was actually similar to a standard B/P, but less than a R/Rt.

6. The lack of a hard rez hurt in case of wipes.

Again, this is definitely a functional build, but unfortunately it is probable sub-optimal to other B/Pers for the reasons I described above.

1. I don't ALWAYS hit barrage. I hit it about once every 2, 3 attacks.
2. Which is why I carry a Milthuran's Staff around with me.
3. I tried removing Signet of Strength for Disrupting Shot, it works quite well.
4. Signet of Strength can be removed for Favorable Winds, or Flail can be taken out if you want the interrupt too.
5. See below.
6. Someone in my guild runs a necro to B/P with, and they don't mind. In fact, he sometimes asked the R/Rts to put splinter on him.

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

It's not fail, it's just sub-par compared to what a normal B/P can offer.

See my post above pointing out my personal experience with your build and the flaws it has.

If you can correct some of those flaws, we can reconsider it and determine whether it is a true alternative to a B/P.

It's not supposed to be a sweeping sensation that changes B/P. It's something that can get me through Urgoz.

Stormlord Alex · Jan 28, 2008, 11:34 PM // 23:34

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

It's not fail, it's just sub-par compared to what a normal B/P can offer.

It's also pretty bad compared to other Warrior builds implementing a pet.

If you want to use a pet as a warr, put the godsforsaken bow down and do something with Ferocious Strike or Heal as One and a melee weapon. Barrage is pretty terrible on a ranger, and worse on a warrior.

As for getting through Urgoz... umm... yeah :/ I'd put a guild team together or call my friends list so I don't have to run a fail teambuild with a retarded PuG. Haven't read the thread tbh... any friends/guildies you can call on?

Legendary Shiz · Jan 28, 2008, 11:37 PM // 23:37

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

The problem is that Guild Wars is too competitive, and not fun enough. There's too much team spirit.

And that comes as a surprise to you? The name of the game after all is in fact "Guild Wars" not "Play By Yourself Wars".

Taurucis · Jan 28, 2008, 11:41 PM // 23:41

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

As for getting through Urgoz... umm... yeah :/ I'd put a guild team together or call my friends list so I don't have to run a fail teambuild with a retarded PuG. Haven't read the thread tbh... any friends/guildies you can call on?

Well, I have a number of sword/axe/hammer + pet builds.

To be honest, it was my guildies who weren't letting me do Urgoz to test my build, and collect the monument.

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Originally Posted by Legendary Shiz

And that comes as a surprise to you? The name of the game after all is in fact "Guild Wars" not "Play By Yourself Wars".

That was actually a quote from the Calvin and Hobbes comic strip that I hoped someone would get...

But yes, people say that ever since Heroes were introduced, PuGGing went downhill exponentially.

Dr Strangelove · Jan 28, 2008, 11:43 PM // 23:43

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

You want me to run an IWAY warrior in Urgoz? It pretty much seems against the law for a warrior to bring any non-warrior skills.

No, diversifying a warrior build is a good idea. Pretending to be a ranger is a bad idea. There's a difference.

What did you really expect to happen here? It's a terrible build, you know it's a terrible build, but you get mad when people call it a terrible build?

Taurucis · Jan 28, 2008, 11:45 PM // 23:45

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Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove

What did you really expect to happen here? It's a terrible build, you know it's a terrible build, but you get mad when people call it a terrible build?

I expected mature, polite answers, not "LULZ U BUILD FAILZ QUIT GW" crap?

Stormlord Alex · Jan 28, 2008, 11:46 PM // 23:46

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

To be honest, it was my guildies who weren't letting me do Urgoz to test my build, and collect the monument.

Your guildies are bad, it seems. Not only do they need to run the scrub-PuG-retardway to beat Urgoz (B/P in this case), they don't see it's so easy it doesn't matter if you're running a subpar build

Am I correct? Or just being an elitist jerk again?

Velise_Snowtorm · Jan 28, 2008, 11:52 PM // 23:52

Best advice I can give would be to shop for a new guild. You've mentioned several times that you're not happy in yours. Leave it! It's obviously not doing you any favors staying in it for whatever reason.

My old guild did Urgoz with a standard melee warrior in the group. No obs tank, no gimmicky builds, he just stood up front on top of a pile of traps our lone ranger (not BP) laid before pulling aggro. The rest of us were an odd mix of classes, and we got it done with no probs and without resorting to some PuG safety build. That's what a good guild does- works with what it has, the key being that everyone have the flexibility and communication to blend into an effective team.

Again, maybe just a change of guilds would help. There's all kinds of posts on this and other fan forums from guilds recruiting. Wish you luck.

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

Your guildies are bad, it seems. Not only do they need to run the scrub-PuG-retardway to beat Urgoz (B/P in this case), they don't see it's so easy it doesn't matter if you're running a subpar build

Absolutely.

Taurucis · Jan 28, 2008, 11:58 PM // 23:58

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Originally Posted by Velise_Snowtorm

Best advice I can give would be to shop for a new guild. You've mentioned several times that you're not happy in yours. Leave it! It's obviously not doing you any favors staying in it for whatever reason.

It's not that my guild is bad, or that I'm not happy in it. The head officer is an awesome guy to be around, he actually asked them to let me try my build but he was outvoted.

There's just this one little jackass, he isn't even in the guild, but he hates me and he likes to tell others to ignore me, he basically spreads the word that I'm annoying. He's pretty much screwing everything up.

pygar · Jan 29, 2008, 12:02 AM // 00:02

All I said was Barrage wasn't all that, and that signet of strength probably wont "turbocharge" barrage anywhere near as much as you would hope (as in, for the few x-tra points of damage, you could just have somethin totally different) If your modified warrior bar was using a different Ranger elite that would be one thing, but I think you would be happier just not using the bow (Rangers almost would rather not use a bow cuz of the DPS limitations, hence the popularity of "bunny thumper" builds.) If you insist on keeping barrage and all that, maybe lose the signet of strength...it's not enough of a boost to burn the slot on, especially with how random barrage is with scattering damage, and every arrow in barrage counts as an attack, you will get about 6 seconds of use and then wait the better part of a minute for recharge...you could use antidote sig instead maybe.

Jetdoc · Jan 29, 2008, 12:07 AM // 00:07

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

1. I don't ALWAYS hit barrage. I hit it about once every 2, 3 attacks.
2. Which is why I carry a Milthuran's Staff around with me.
3. I tried removing Signet of Strength for Disrupting Shot, it works quite well.
4. Signet of Strength can be removed for Favorable Winds, or Flail can be taken out if you want the interrupt too.
5. See below.
6. Someone in my guild runs a necro to B/P with, and they don't mind. In fact, he sometimes asked the R/Rts to put splinter on him.

1. True B/Pers hit Barrage as quickly as it recharges. If you don't, you're substantially reducing your DPS, which kinda hurts the effectiveness of your build.
2. Switching to an energy staff doesn't help in mid-battle, as when you switch back, you'll be out of energy and unable to continue attacking. This is probably the biggest downside of your build.
3. The Signet of Strength/Dodge This combo really boosts your damage - I don't think you can remove either without having your damage not be on par with a normal B/P (and the bonus from 16 marks and a vamp string). Either way, I'd run Distracting Shot over Disrupting Shot. Lower energy cost, disables and it's only 5 energy.
4. Keep Flail. It's a definite DPS booster...but you need to take advantage of it by attacking as often as possible (see #1 above).

Again, I think this is something you definitely can "get by with", and least you realize that it isn't quite as good as a normal B/P, especially when it comes to keeping your pet up. At least it's good to see someone thinking outside of the box!

Cherng Butter · Jan 29, 2008, 12:14 AM // 00:14

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

1. I don't ALWAYS hit barrage. I hit it about once every 2, 3 attacks.

This basically points out there's something inherently wrong with the build...you really should be hitting Barrage every attack. Why are you insistent on using Barrage/a bow on a warrior? It just doesn't make sense...if you want to bring your giant pet, just bring it and a sword/axe/hammer or something...

Taurucis · Jan 29, 2008, 12:16 AM // 00:16

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

1. True B/Pers hit Barrage as quickly as it recharges. If you don't, you're substantially reducing your DPS, which kinda hurts the effectiveness of your build.
2. Switching to an energy staff doesn't help in mid-battle, as when you switch back, you'll be out of energy and unable to continue attacking. This is probably the biggest downside of your build.
3. The Signet of Strength/Dodge This combo really boosts your damage - I don't think you can remove either without having your damage not be on par with a normal B/P (and the bonus from 16 marks and a vamp string). Either way, I'd run Distracting Shot over Disrupting Shot. Lower energy cost, disables and it's only 5 energy.
4. Keep Flail. It's a definite DPS booster...but you need to take advantage of it by attacking as often as possible (see #1 above).

Again, I think this is something you definitely can "get by with", and least you realize that it isn't quite as good as a normal B/P, especially when it comes to keeping your pet up. At least it's good to see someone thinking outside of the box!

1. If I run out of energy really fast, though, that would give the same result - not being able to Barrage.
2. True that. Energy is pretty much the only bottleneck.
3. Right... I meant to write Distracting Shot. I was thinking of the skill effect, not the name...
4. I like Flail, though having Flail up after battle is kind of annoying.

That's the problem. People think that I'm trying to revolutionize Urgoz's Warren with this W/R barrager, when it's just something that can make me somewhat fit in.

It's nice to see someone whose head isn't up his bum!

xDusT II · Jan 29, 2008, 12:29 AM // 00:29

W/Me:

Power Drain
Waste not Want not
Power Attack
Sever Artery
Epidemic
Backfire
Energy Surge

Hai dis is my warrior build wif liek reverse mesma teknology! Dunt dis it yet til u try it k? I use p.drain and Waste not for e.management so my energy is fine + hi nrg set to cast lol. If you dunt liek dis build it's cuz ur a flamar troll who iz just trying to persekute me cuz i am creatife.

I think using your arguments, you can justify any build that is "passable" as being good or "creative".

Taurucis · Jan 29, 2008, 12:33 AM // 00:33

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Originally Posted by xDusT II

W/Me:

Power Drain
Waste not Want not
Power Attack
Sever Artery
Epidemic
Backfire
Energy Surge

Hai dis is my warrior build wif liek reverse mesma teknology! Dunt dis it yet til u try it k? I use p.drain and Waste not for e.management so my energy is fine + hi nrg set to cast lol. If you dunt liek dis build it's cuz ur a flamar troll who iz just trying to persekute me cuz i am creatife.

Let's not spam, please, and try to use intelligible, proper spelling and grammar.

I didn't play Roulette and select whatever skill that the ball happened to fall on. I actually took some time to find out what would work together... unlike a certain spammy build up there.

xDusT II · Jan 29, 2008, 12:44 AM // 00:44

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

Let's not spam, please, and try to use intelligible, proper spelling and grammar.

I didn't play Roulette and select whatever skill that the ball happened to fall on. I actually took some time to find out what would work together... unlike a certain spammy build up there.

Just because skills work together doesn't mean they are efficient and/or effective. Your build is only "effective" at passing through the game, It is already known that it will be doing less damage than an Ranger, or any other warrior build. The only real reasons I can think of to run Barrage on a Warrior is if you want to have "fun" with your "creative" build. Otherwise there are absolutely no advantages to running this bar.

isamu kurosawa · Jan 29, 2008, 01:15 AM // 01:15

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Originally Posted by Taurucis

Let's not spam, please, and try to use intelligible, proper spelling and grammar.

I didn't play Roulette and select whatever skill that the ball happened to fall on. I actually took some time to find out what would work together... unlike a certain spammy build up there.

You should just let the idea of running a barrage warrior go. If you want to complete urgoz use a proper warrior build designed to work well with its own team build.

The pet will pretty much be useless to you and if the only reason your continuing to play is to aquire it then you realy should leave the game for a month or so to do something you find more interesting.

People are not just trying to get you to quit.
The build does indeed suck.
The concept itself is flawed so can never be made to work well enough for elite areas.
The pet will be useless to you other than screenshots.
The world isn't out to get you.
Learn to take advice and criticism, Especially if you post on a public forum.

horseradish · Jan 29, 2008, 02:19 AM // 02:19

I agree with Isamu's bullet points.

Taurucis, just try different things. You say you have warrior builds that utilizes warrior weapons and pets, so why not use them? I'm sure they're pretty ing creative enough lol

If that one guy in your alliance is being an , then perhaps you can speak to his guild leader about his behavior.

Taurucis · Jan 29, 2008, 02:31 AM // 02:31

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Originally Posted by horseradish

I agree with Isamu's bullet points.

Taurucis, just try different things. You say you have warrior builds that utilizes warrior weapons and pets, so why not use them? I'm sure they're pretty ing creative enough lol

If that one guy in your alliance is being an , then perhaps you can speak to his guild leader about his behavior.

Well, the problem is, my guild hardly ever does elite missions anymore, and they don't really do Urgoz. I'm not sure that they'd be open to new ideas.

The assclown isn't even in the alliance. He just hangs out on our ventrilo server, demanding that we help him and throwing tantrums when we don't, and acts like a complete jackass.

The head officer in my guild says that such assclown is getting on his nerves, as well.

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Originally Posted by isamu kurosawa

The world isn't out to get you.
Learn to take advice and criticism, Especially if you post on a public forum.

1: Actually, you'd be surprised.
2: There's a thin line between advice and criticism. There is an even thinner line between criticism and outright insults.

Teutonic Paladin · Jan 29, 2008, 03:01 AM // 03:01

If someone is insulting you it's for a reason, you may not like it but it isn't random. There's no reason for this thread to be six pages long. The build doesn't and can't work, it's fundamentally flawed. If you post a bad build people will be cruel, if you don't like it stay away. Spending six pages whining won't get you anywhere.